Sunday, 16 November 2008

Britishness!!!

What do you think of when you think about Brtain? Are you British? What does this actually mean? Fish and chips and David Beckham? Are we global citizens first and British citizens second? Can we be British and French, German and Turkish? Does it matter?

96 comments:

SairaIqbal8D said...

Well in ma opinion I fink dat u can originate frm any country and still b british bcause its not wer u cme frm, its ur own opinion n da way u act as u may wear british clothes, eat british food (halal), or live in a british lifestyle but its really wat ur heart saysdat makes u british. The thngs listed above are all factors of being british but in my view u are da pilot of ur own lyf and make ur own lyfstyle choices whether it be on culture, food, clothing etc. Ppl may disagree bcuz dey may fink being british is all 2 do wiv ur dress code and ur diet but not in my view it isnt! God made da world as a united wrld but we mde countries. We shud all liv in peace n be global citizens too. THNX!!xx

Iqra Rehman 8R said...

Hi

I fink u dont ave 2 be born in britain 2 be british, u cld be born anywhere in da world 2 be british but i fink u ave 2 live in beritain 4 a certain amount ov time 2 actully become british enough time to learn english ave some education and understand what britain is like an the people who live there r like so u can adapt to that sort ov lifestyle so u dont have 2 be born in britain to be british

mazza101 said...

hey ppl... i think u du have to no english 2 b british an im only sayin dis cause, take it 4rm ma experience , i went to Saudi for 2 weeks and i did not no arabic and believe me it was torture,hell, a livin nightmare.i couldnt communicate 2 any1 and i got bored,fed up and frustrated and was happy wen eventually leavin.

so basically if u dont no any english and u wanna b british its gonna b hard 4 u.u wont b able to do anything. :) :)

mazza101 said...

Wen i think of britain i jus think ma country!!!. i dont think beckham and whateva.may b fings lke da queen represent britain but oda den dat no!

i am british

dis jus 2 me means dat i was born in britain and dat its ma country and we should stand up 4 it,and should be proud da its ma country

AND I AM PROUD 2 B BRITISH!!!

i think were british citizens first cause country cumz first.its also jus a way of seperatin ppl.

i think dats a weird question caz its hard 2 ansa in a way.
i fink u can call urself british and something else but no not really cuz at da end of da day whateva u r should b wat country ur 4rm.but i dont think most ppl will agree cuz sum might not like dere country,however im proud to be british.

no i dont think it matters but den again yh it does kind of cuz like i said whateva u r dpends on where u were born.

:):):):):) bye hope u enjoyed readin ma opinion

Farida Ahmed 8D said...

When I think of Britain I think we have freedom, peace and proudness.I think I am British because of my passport.
There is a point of havin a Queen so that we could represent our country and the army.The Queen helps us by havin tourists who want research. It's fair as well because she pays taxes.
However on the other hand we don't need a Queen because she doesn't do anthing for example people got bankrupt so she coulld have helped by givin money but on the other hand she doesn't have a say, and if she said anything to the government they think she is critisizi their work.

Mr. Farmer said...

Saira: a very philosophical point of view. How does britishness affect you? Make sure that you explain and justify your opinions with clear examples and facts. Level 4c.

Mr. Farmer said...

Iqra: en excellent point of view (L4c). Now look at what the government guidelines are for gaining citizenship and include this in your argument.

http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/applying/

Mr. Farmer said...

Mazza101: an interesting argument. You must look at all the reasons why the lack of a language may make it difficult to function in a country. More detail needed.

Mr. Farmer said...

Maza101: why are you proud to be British? Why would some people not be proud to be British? You explain your answer in detail but must organize what you say more effectively to show that you have a clear argument.

Mr. Farmer said...

Farida: look at the arguments for and against a monarchy and then balance your argument by making a decision. What do you think and what is your best piece of evidence?

Anonymous said...

no i dont relly thnk u shud me born in britan bcz u all are 4rm differnt races and family bak gorund aswell!! u need 2 learn english 2 becom a british and follow da rules. u dont need 2 be brn in britan and we all shud be proud of our country,evn u culd be brn any whre bt atleat u shud hve da british passport dats wht i thnk!!! britheness doesnt really effect me bcz im born in here and im proud of ma self bt also ths is nt where ma fmaily com 4rm.
we hve lots of freedom and we hve right 4 living??
sooo 4rm ma point of view i wuld sy dat im proud 2 be a british doesnt mattr hw u are eductaed wht ur rce is and all other things>>
thnxs!!!!!

JESSICA HARWOOD 8D said...

When i think of britain I think of the England flag or good old common british fish 'n' chips.Although,if you put your mind to it and think about it thats not what it's about its about respecting britain and the people and environment around you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mazza101 said...

i totally agree jess

Anonymous said...

I fink u dont ave 2 be born in britain 2 be british, u cud be born anywhere in da world 2 be british but i fink u ave 2 live in britain 4 a certain amount of time 2 actully become british.U nd enough time to learn english,ave some education and understand what britain is like an the people who live there r like so u can adapt to that sort of lifestyle so u dont have 2 be born in britain to be british.

8ḋ»»●[[hαṡhïṃɾαјα]]●««8ḋ™ said...

well i think britishness isnt were u cum 4rm it is were u live and a british passport if u dnt hav a british passport u cant be british i dont think ur culture makes a diffrence bcauz people live here in difrent wayz and how dey think something should be dun property also it dnt matter if u were born abroad.

RichieP19958D said...

hello pplz of saltley
there is no bloomin point of havin a queen. she jus sits on her backside all day while theres sum person called jeeves givin her all she wants. shes jus sum old ladie with a gold crown on her head and it makes her "special" for sum apparent reason. she doesnt even hav much power. she has to pay taxes n bills like evry1 else in this country so shes like all of us except a tad bit richer. shes suppose to "represent us". WAT THE HECK? since wen did an old helpless woman cud represent 1 of th richest countries in th country? ive seen hamsters do a better job xD

well ciao for now
Richie

Mr. Farmer said...

princess aati: you must explain why it is so important to speak English to be British. Can you have two national identities? A clear opinion (L3a)

Mr. Farmer said...

Jessica: a really interesting point but develop it further. How would you describe British people? Do we share anything in common with other countries? Does Britishness matter?

Mr. Farmer said...

Wasim: an intelligent piece of work. Try to develop your argument further by looking at what someone who would disagree with you might say! What else would you have to learn to understand Britisgness? How to queue?

Mr. Farmer said...

Hashim: a really interesting argument especially about the fact that cultures sit side by side in Britain. Do you think it actually matters or not if you are British apart from the passport?

Anonymous said...

HEllloooooo

right i think da u can be anythin but aslong as you are from britan or have anything to do wiv britan dan i think u can call ur self british even doe u probley wear like pakistani clothes n listen 2 french music ur still british.

IM 60% BRITISH N 40% PAKISTANI :) THNKS !!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Im back i also wanted 2 say culture haqs nufing at all 2 do wiv if yer British or not so no matter wht ur culture is ur British i even think if u move from Britan 2 some ova contury u are still british if not u part Britsh ;)

peace out

SairaIqbal8D said...

2 RAISE MA LEVEL!!:
Britishness affects me as I have to learn to adapt to the British culture and the British lifestyle which is different to my native ways as in Pakistan we wear specific clothes ( salwaar/kameez) and here we wear a top and jeans.
There is no harm in that and I like wearing them but some people may argue against that and think that Britain is taking away their own rules an dtraditions therefore decide to stay with their rules which there is no harm in. Also I have to adapt to the British language and accent but still be careful not to lose our mother tongue. People in Britain also support their leaders and do not support the English monarchy as presently there are a lot of wars taking place (Iraq, Afghanistan etc) and people always stick by their leaders but if there was supposedly a war of Pakistan -England then some people here would be in a dilemma.

SairaIqbal8D said...

Hey!
I have a British passport,British food (halal), and a British lyfstyle. It is very significant to speak English as without it and with around 80% of the population being able to speak English you would not be able to communicate with anyone which would be torture.
We can have 2 national identities and speak 2 languages because we want to be able to adapt 2 da lystyle n hv our own mothertongue/origin ways. Furthermore in my opinion there is a point in having a queen as she attracts many tourists (hundreds come each morning to see the changing of the guards!!) which makes money for England and she pays her taxes which is an equalibrium as we pay too. She is our figurehead. However there is no point in having queen too because she has not got much control on any events going on as it all goes to Parliament and she does not do anything to help us e.g. if there was a huge murder or a bankrupcy then she woulodn't do anything. Judging by all this I think there is no harm in having a queen because as long as she pays her way and brings in money for us then it is al alright!

Anonymous said...

i fink u dont have 2 be british 2 live in britain bcuz u can come & originate things from ur home land and still b british bcuz ur parents might b from another country and u might inherit things frm them n u dont ave 2 speak english either, u r da person who is da pilot of ur lyf.
so dat is y i think dat u dont ave 2 b british to live in britain. xxx

mariamgulzar8R said...

In my point of view you could be from any country and still get a British nationality after staying here for a certain amount of time but you cannot become British because to be British you have to be born in Britain however every one has there own opinions some people may disagree with me. Also I think to be British you should be able to speak English and you should have some education so that u can familiarize your self with the life styles of Britain and not have communication problems.

When I think of Britain I think of freedom and self-determination.

I see my self as British because I was born in Britain and I have a British passport.

Mr. Farmer said...

Asnain: your argument is too brief and a little confusing. Try to explain why you consider yourself 60%??? Do clothes have an affect on national identity?

Mr. Farmer said...

Saira: excellent!!! Do you think that an Islamic/Asian culture can exist with a British culture? Is there such a thing as a British culture? Does there have to be a British culture? A L5a because you look at the wider issues connected to identitiy. I would like you to develop this further and look into the ways in which different cultures in Britain make Britain a better place and the problems that may arise from this.

Mr. Farmer said...

Nazim: youy simply outline your opinions here without including any factual detail. You look at the links you may have through family. Try looking at other links you have with other countries and how this affects your sense of national identity.

Mr. Farmer said...

Mariam: what about people who have lived here for most of their lives? Are they not British? You must explain clearly why English is essential for a British citizen?

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Idil Ismail said...

idil 8m:I think that you should be able to speak english to be able to become a british citizen because how are you going to pass the british citizen test if you can't speak fluent english.you especially can't communicate with other british citizen, and you are also going to have to have a translator with you everywhere you go.You also will have to stick with the people from your own country,and even worse you might not find other people from your country! so in my opinion you should be able to speak english to be a british citizen, and it is also better for you especially if you want to be multicultural.

Unknown said...

well ma opinion is dat i think 2 be a british u need 2 be able 2 speak english n u need british passport then it does not matter were u com from n wats ur race/countrey/culture/religoin n etc so in point of view is dat any 1 cn becom british but only if they have 1 main thing even impotant then speaking english is dat u need a british passport it does not matter de way u look,dress or even ur skincolour
so plzz do think about it .THANX!!

Idil Ismail said...

idil ismail 8m:I fink da u shud b able 2 speak english 2 b a british citizen cuz it'z important 2 pass your citizen test if u wana gd lyf n a betta future in lyf and u would not b able 2 b a british citizen if u cnt speak english so i fink there is no point in commin 2 england without wanning 2 know da language.cuz fink about it , do you really wanna faze loads of problems in lyf 'n' 'ave a translator folowin u everywhere.


i dnt fink so so if iwere u LEARN ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THNX 4 READIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SairaIqbal8D said...

Heyy!!
Well 2 respond 2 Mr Farmer's comment in ma view an Islamic/British society within a country is possible but difficult to achieve in as we shud all liv prosperously and not have any objections to our own unique individuality as we r all equal and have equal rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights) and shud be able to liv our lives prosperously and know that we r safe instaed of being terrorized by unjust citizens.2 cultures can exist within one community but ppl hv 2 just accept the fact that they r diverse and God made dem dat way (everyone's God!) There does not hv 2 be a British culture cuz as I sed God made da world as one whole united country however we made ova 200 separate countries! We shud all be altruistic in my opinion( a concern for our own AND others welfare, for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism)There duz not need to be any cukture as we are all different, not just in skin colour but in our attitude's, the way we react to things, our optimism etc. We all need to just deal wiv da fact dat we all have some variances! However a turning point is dat different cultures make a country (in dis case:Britain) a better place as dey unite different countries for example Goerge Bush gives a very heart warming speech that although democratic governments don't "all look alike", a common defining factor is that they "make room for people of all backgrounds and all faiths". It also makes peoples attitude twards immigrants change and make them treat others fairly. A huge impact!

SairaIqbal8D said...

Hiii
Der may be sum problems wiv different nationalities in one society as wer i liv me and ma family are only one of da 3 asian families dat liv der on our whole street and others!! We havent had any harrassments and we are grateful for dat! However many unjust British citizans want to feel self-independant and totally isolated from immigrants of different ethnic class. Therefore, they vandalize people's terrtory and property just because of their colour! They also harrass them! I do not know why.There have been numerous reports on people being killed because they are from Somalia or Pakistan. Those specific people who do not like ''foreigners''may go and protest that they want an ''only black'' or ''only white'' community. Well they have to get along!!Thanks!! For more information go on : http://www.betterworld.net/movement/paths/culture.htm

mazza101 said...

well i am proud its ma country cuz it helps us out in a lot of ways 4 which we take granted.

E.g the NHS provides us wid free treatment not every country does dis.were very lucky to hav dis

Eduction is also free and being able 2 take tests.again not every country has dis oppotunity. yet we take dis 4 granted by waggin lessons (not me lol)Education costs in some country yet our government is kind enough to give it to us 4 free.

if ppl are unemployed our government is actually kind enough 2 give dem money.And pension for OAP's.

Money does not grow on trees u no at da end of da day.

Aisha Parveen 8D said...

I personally think that you have to have a British passport to be British. I'm not trying to be stereotypical but I hate the fact that people are coming into England without a passport nor Visa, such people as Bosnians, Romanians, Polish, Somalians etc. Then again, to be fair they may have just come to England to get a job. I'm not trying to show a biased point of my view. That was one part of my argument. The other part is that, no I don't think you have to speak English to live in England. I know many people who live in England who cant speak English.... At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you think about it. As long as they can speak one language and be able to communicate with someone, then it is alright! Its not like anyone in England speaks Eskimo language. And the Queen, well even though my mates say I speak posh, I think the Queen is a useless waste of space. What does she ever do apart from sit on her throne and wear her gold and act all posh, she doesn't really play a part in our social lives. Yes she does go abroad sometimes for charitable causes but the Parliament is more important than her. I say we remove the Queen of her throne and hand the country over to Parliament. Oh maybe not, Gordon Brown being in charge of England, I'd rather die! I'm personally proud to be British! I was born in England which makes me British. Some people may say that being British is the odd traditional fish and chips but its not. Its more complicated, it involves being civil, trusting your country. I'm a very political person, which is the reason why I got very angry when Barack Obama won the elections... I didn't want Mcain to win either, they're both a pair of George Bush's. Thats the way I hate Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. I say we have a proper country, without a Queen but somebody proper who could be able to be in control of the country.

And maybe a committee which allows children to voice their opinion to the Government about school and other stuff(no c3's).

And to me, being British does matter. Same goes for caring about my country. So my final opinion is that yes, you need a passport to be British. And how many people do you know who live in Britain and don't have a passport (apart from illegal immigrants).

And I think the Queen should go to Parliament and try and voice her opinions rather than just sitting there and doing nothing. I say that if we have a Queen, we should make good use of her and let her take a part of deciding the laws etc.

And after this long essay, I come to a conclusion that only people with British passports can be classified as British, Illegal immigrants should be deported back to their country unless they have come to do a job or are applying for a passport/visa, People who don't speak English can still be classified as British and that we should not have a Queen unless she decides to take part more into the interest of Britain.

Thanks for reading:
~Regards: Aisha

(?XXAsIm_IqBaLXX!?) said...

WEN I THYNK ABOUT BRITAN I THYNK GOOD FISH AND CHIPS AND GOOD FACILITIES. NO I DONT FYNK WE ARE GLOBAL CITIZANS FIRST BECAUSE IF U R BORN IN BRITAIN HOW CAN YA BE A GLOBAL CITIZEN UNLESS U R BROUGHT UP IN ANOTHA CONTRY. I FYNK WE CAN BE BRITISH AND THEN GERMAN AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE U CAN BE BORN IN BRITAIN BUT CAN BE BROUGHT UP IN GERMANY WHICH MKES YA A GERMAN CITIZAN. ALSO IF U DONT NO ENGLISH AND UR FRM ANOTHA CONTRY ITS GONNA BE HRD 4 U TO GET AROUND AND READ FYNGS LIKE SIGNS AND STUFF.

habiba said...

i think we have to know english to be british because it is the british language.
some people are born in different countries and if they know english they could have a british passport.

mariamgulzar8R said...

To argue in my case I would like to say that some people may disagree with me still I would like 2 say that people who lived here for most of their life may have adapted the British lifestyle but others may still have a lack of the British culture and lifestyles.

I think English is important for a British citizen for the reason that English is one of the main factors of the British culture therefore if we live here we have to consider English as a key concept of living in Britain. In addition if you do not want communication problems in Britain English is very essential.

SairaIqbal8D said...

Heyy!
Well also I want to say that Aisha your essay is massive! And Mariam cool comment I respect that! I personally think that some people can become very stereotypical and just take a multicultural society to the next level such as the Nazi's in WW2 (no offence to Mr Farmer!)and also racism and prejudice is widely spread, and is present in all countries or societies around the World. Racism and prejudice is often expressed through distrust or contempt for people who are different from the majority. These differences can be of physical, cultural character, or just based on a different background, such as a foreign nationality. It is a natural reaction for people to be suspicious about the things that are strange to them. Sometimes this suspicion turns into anger, frustration, or fear.
People just vent out all the hatred bottled up inside them to others so it is a way of lyk calmin 'em down. In ma view racism is caused by fear e.g. the dark makes people feel defenseless from the unknown and makes them imagine terrible things, for no reason at all. It is the same thing that happens to some people when they encounter a person that they don’t know, they get scared, and they start to imagine terrible things about him or her. Dats the same with da rest. For more information on that go to: http://library.thinkquest.org/28172/ropinio2.htm

Cyaa

Daanyaal said...

I think u dont have 2 be born in britain 2 be british, u could be born anywhere in da world 2 be british but i think you have to live in britan for abot 5 years to become a brtish citizen.

i hink beckham dont repersent being britsh becoes why does he play for othe ritmes arounfd the world for

Madhia said...

i fink dat u dont have 2 speek english 2 b british . u cld b born frm anywhere in da world 2 be british . if u lived in a diffrent country and moved to britan u wld have 2 b in britain 4 a long time 2 british and u wld have 2 have a british passport & followed all da rules .when i fink ov britain it reminds me ov : da queen,fish & chips ,lods ov shops , free education ECT...
I fink dat we r global citizens den british citizens. i am a british .

SairaIqbal8D said...

Tazz xx you r rite too wiv yhuur comment i respect it n i totally agree wiv yaarrr

haleema khan said...

i think that if you are born in britain you are british, but if you come from another country and you are living in brtain for the rest of your life you are british, because you have been in the country for a long time to learn english for a education.also you know that bitain like to queue up and that you know not to push in a queue also you known as a british person because you have been following the law of the land .

(¯`·._.·[Qã$ãm§ãééð8Ð]·._.·´¯) said...

I think that u dont have to be born in Britain or eat British food or wear British clothes to be British.
all you hav to do is liv in Britain to be british. i also tink dat u can be any culture as many people who are diferent cultures live together and dat its ur own opinion to choose wat clothes you wear wat u eat and wat u watch or listen to.
Cuz im 60%British and 40%Pakistani.

(¯`·._.·[Qã$ãm§ãééð8Ð]·._.·´¯) said...

Oh yeah 1 more fing
i think you have to have a british passport aswell and a visa if u cum from another country as that is illegal and rong not to have one and if u dnt have 1 then u cud get don over by the cops or illegal immigrant police

fazana8n said...

my opinion is if you live in britain you are british.but if you dont live in britain you are not british.if you dont live in britain and you want to live in britain the goverment can give you a change to live in britan but you have to everything right to be british and if you done everything right you get a british passport and everything else what is british.

Iqra Rehman 8R said...

wassem kalid interesting choice of wording im sure ive seen dat paragraph before.

Iqra Rehman 8R said...

i fink the goverment finks dat peple who wnt 2 aply for a british nationality ave 2 knw english cause da test is in english which i fink is sort of fair. it is also not fair cause some peple ave livd in britain 4 long but jst dont know english properly

Anonymous said...

hey ppl....i fink u dont ave 2 b born in britian 2 b british coz u can be born any wer in da world.
U ave 2 adapt 2 da british wayz if u come 4rm some wer else n u ave 2 live der 4 a certain amount of time n follow da rulez n lawz of britian.
Also u ave 2 b able 2 speak English coz if ya don’t know den u will not be able 2 communicate n get on .
If ya get a job it will be even harder so some advice wld b 2 learn da languge!!!
Wen I fink ov britian I fink ov;
Da free ducation,da queen,town{lodz of shops}n loadz ov ova stuff.

Aisha Mir 8D said...

Hello!
Well my first opinion is that you can come from anywhere in the world, come to Britain and stay for a time and become british. It doesn't matter where u originate from. If u hav a british passport that makes u british. u might hav a different culture and lifestyle but Britain is full of that so that doesn't make u british. It is how u feel and act and represent Britain that makes u british.
My second opinion is that u dont really need a queen. All she is is a popular trademark and she represents our country. she is something that a person thinks of when they hear the name Britain but on the other hand she is what gives us money. If it wasn't for her we wouldnt hav as much money as we do know. She brings tourists to London and they take pictures buy souveniers and that is where we get loads of our money from.

Anonymous said...

being british doesn't mean you are white,christian,wear certain clothes or even originate from britain. i am fully and 100% against that or people who tink lyk that. dont get me wrong im not against people who are white, christian or peole who do originate from britain. im just givin ma opinion dat to be british you dont av to be da tings dat are listed obove. britishness 2 me means that all kinds and types of people around da world tinkin dat every1 is equal but unique in their own ways at da same time. n im sure dat ova people around da world wiv common sense wud say somfink lyk dat bout their country or their nationality (but some dont, n dats a shame). i also wud lyk to say well done 2 saira in 8D for da way she expressed her opinions, statements and ova info. i also agree 100% wiv her opinions on da queen dat she doesn't do much 4 her country but der is no harm in havin 1.i tink aisha parveen wrote graet statments n opinions which i enjoyed readin. i'd also lyk 2 say dat I'M PROUD 2 BE BRITISH N PROUD 2 BE PAKISTANI IN WHICH I'D CALL MYSELF A BRITISH PAKISTANI TNX

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I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE BORN HERE TO BE BRITISH OTHERWISE IF YOUR BORN IN SUMWERE ELSE LIKE JAMIACA UR JAMIACAN ETC ETC AND U CAN BE BORN SUMWERE ELSE TO BE BRITISH ASWELL AND IF YOU ARE BRITISH U EAT BRITISH FOOD AND STUFF

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Mr. Farmer said...

Tirhas: a very clear and powerful argument. L4b. Now look to consider other people's opinions on this issue. Why do you think the issue of what Britishness is is so controversial? Does it matter? Why do some people use a passport as a mark of national identity.

Mr. Farmer said...

Idil: interesting point about people isolating themselves. Take this a little further and try to include contemporary examples. Do you think it is so important to speak English as part of the test? Do you agree? Why do you think people want to migrate to Britain?

Mr. Farmer said...

Wild Kat: this is far too brief. L3. You simply explain what you think and do not explain WHY??? Include examples and factual detail.

Mr. Farmer said...

Idil: what are the consequences of not speaking English? Why do the government want people to speak English? Is Englishness different to Britishness?

Mr. Farmer said...

Saira: excellent - L6c. You have developed your argument and included factual detail. Try to include contemporary examples and think in greater depth why religious and national identities clash. Always look at both sides of the argument.

Mr. Farmer said...

Mazza 101: a good explanation of why you are proud to be British. Try to think about all of the issues that surround identities i.e. racism and discrimination.

Mr. Farmer said...

Asim 316: you make some good points but all you do is make statements. You must explain why you think what you do! L3

Mr. Farmer said...

Habiba: L2c. No real argument, just a brief comment. What do you think about all of this?

Mr. Farmer said...

Mariam: a really interesting point but you must take it further. How can we measure British culture? Do you agree with taking a Britishness exam? Look at: http://www.lifeintheuktest.gov.uk/

Mr. Farmer said...

Saira: put together you have achieved a L6b. Well developed arguments with evidence included. Try now to balance what you say and look at the alternative point of view. Look in greater depth at the positive and negative aspects of multiculturalism.

Mr. Farmer said...

Daanyaal: far too brief. You just make a statement and do not explain why!!!! L2b

Mr. Farmer said...

Madhia: you don't actually say why you think we are global citizens first. You make some good points but must focus on one issue that you could develop with greater depth. (L3c)

Mr. Farmer said...

Haleema: explain why some people might not agree with you. What could you say back to them? Look in greater detail at how you can become British.

Mr. Farmer said...

Qasam: some good points. How does living in Britain make you British? Greater detail needed. L3

Mr. Farmer said...

Fazana: what do you mean by 'you have to do everything right'? Does this mean that people born here who do not do things right are not British?

Mr. Farmer said...

Iqra: a bit obvious. What other reaons do you think they have?

Mr. Farmer said...

Fazeela: some interesting ideas but you don't really explain what you mean. Why???

Mr. Farmer said...

Usman: you simply give a L2 statement. You must give factual detail to support your arguments.

Umar Ali 8D said...

Basically 2 b british u dnt hav 2 b bristish u dnt hav 2 b anything special all u hav 2 b able 2 do is speak english or b born here.Wen people come from ova country's and go get a nationality strate away and they dnt kno anything apart from how 2 open their front door r not pure british bcuz if u r goin 2say u r sumthing then u need a connection with it.i also if u hav been in the country 4 a reasonable amount of time and picked up on how things run here and u can accept tht britain is a multi cultural society then thts a gud enough reason 4 u 2 giv urself the british label.

Mr. Farmer said...

Zehnab: excellent. Try reading through your work so that you can make sure it makes sense. You have some good points but it is a little confusing at points. What are the benefits/negative aspects of having two national identities?

Aisha Parveen 8D said...

;;;;;"I hate the fact that people are coming into England without a passport nor Visa, such people as Bosnians, Romanians, Polish, Somalians etc. Then again, to be fair they may have just come to England to get a job." - try to clarify this. Is this true? How can you find out? Avoid making general comments without proof!!!!What otehr reasons would people have for migrating?;;;;


I quote the following message written by Mr.Farmer above. There are many ways I can prove that there are people who come to England to work, I could check airport records but that wouldn't be of any help to me as many immigrants come off the back of lorries.

Thank you Saira Iqbal and Zehnab for your nice comments about my post before.

Mr. Farmer I would love a reply as to what my level is and an explanation of what you thought of my post (it took me a hour to type, so the best comments will be appreciated highly).

I will come back to this topic to check if I have got a reply.

Thank you.

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Anonymous said...

WELL U DONOT HAVE 2 BE BORN IN BRIRTAN 2 BE BRITISH BECUZ IF U CONTRIBUTE 2 THIS COUNTRY WELL WAAT IM TRYN 2 SAY IS DAT IF U AINT FROM BRITAN AND YOU CME TO BRITAN AND U DO LEARN ENGLISH AND U CONTRIBUTE TO BRITAN WELL THEN UR BRITISH INIT BUT I DO FINK U HAVE TO LIVE IN BRITAN TO BE BRITISH BUT YOU DONT HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH

Shamo Aslam said...

i think u can come from eni country and liv in britan but i think u need to hav a reason and believe u want to be british for work or for anything u can choose how u want to line and where u wabt to live

Teacher/ Moderator said...

umar:a bit to brief discuss the differnt reasons to what is britishness and get information to back it up.

Teacher/ Moderator said...

wajiya:a bit obvious i want you to see differnt aspects and to do this research information to back up what your saying.

Teacher/ Moderator said...

shamo:good try i want you to look further on do you have to have a reason to come to britian/u.k?

.:khadra:. said...

Hi
I think that you dont have to be born here to be british you can move here and learn the lovely english languadge and if you want to be a british citizen go and take the test if you are ready.

I am not british cos i wasnt born here and i came to this country in year 6 and i didnt know english , didnt know anything about this country now i have learnt alot history about this country i have learnt about the black death the english civil war i have learnt about the queeen and it is all interesting to know about and i like this country and i am happy that i moved in here but swedish food is alwys the best atleast better than rubbsh english food yuuuugggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!

thanks for reading!!!!!
EID MUBARAK EVERYONE!!!!!

Teacher/ Moderator said...

Khadra- a very personal and well thought out comment. A level 5c. Now try and look at the further aspects of Britishness.

komul said...

hi

i don't think you have to be born in Britain to be British. any one can come and live here as they do all the tests and everything.
however i think it wouldn't be fair on the people who come to Britain because British people go to other countries and settle their and it wont be fair on them if we said your not British go away it would show a bad example of the British citizens

also i got families and friends that have come from another country and came to Britain but now they are British they have learn t about the history, the queen, and things that British people have to know so i don't care if you were born here or not because anyone can be British..............

however i think they could be problems people could be raciest and discrimination could happen because you are different came from another country so i say ignore them because you know that you are British

thankyou

[***naila***] said...

hey ,.........(NAILA BIBI 8M)
i fink u dont have to be born in britain to b british u can b born any where in da world but if u wanna be british u gotta have a british passport to show ur british that is your identity n ur identity means every fin.

ur identity is basically proof like the ppl tat come to england to seek safety cause there own country can cause harm to em. the british goverenment tells them to give em proof tat they are in danger. you can come from anywhere in the world, come to Britain and stay for a time and become british. It doesn't matter where u originate from. If u hav a british passport that makes u british. u might hav a different culture and lifestyle but Britain is full of that so that doesn't make u british. It is how u feel and act and represent Britain that makes u british.
so in da governments eye u r british (FISH N CHIPS)
thankkss..........

.:khadra:. said...

Hi
You dont really have to be born in england to be british but i think you have to know english before coming to this country otherwise how are you meant to communicate with people get a job earn money and live there as a british citizen!!

Anonymous said...

i fink tht u aint british if u dont live in britan and if yoyu dont take part in britan thn ur not britan.i fink tht u have to knw english and go to you have to have a british passport and have a job in britan 2 be british.i also fink if u play ur part in britan not just sit dwn all day the u are a good british citizen

kiran_aka_kay@hotmail.co.uk said...

i belive tht if u think belive and feel ur british u r british even if ur not from here if u eat british clothers or eat brithish food tht still mkes you british so live in peace everybody.

ѕαвнα 8я said...

In my point of view i think dat even if your not from Britain u can become British by just livin ere, however if you've moved to Britain and you dnt ave a job our British goverment wil give you money and sme wre 2 live.

mostly da people hu move ere r asylm seekers, i tink dey move ere bcoz dey feel safe with our laws n da way people r treated. Itz good 2 ave people 4rm oder placses livin ere so we can experiance der different lyfstyles.

in conclusion i feel that we awl shuld liv in peace nd as gud citizenz.

tnx 4 readin

Mr. Farmer said...

Why is it so important to learn about different lifestyles? What difference does it make? How does it make us better people? Can an immigrant ever become British even though they were born in another country? I don't actually think Britishness even exists. Its just a word that separates people and is a negative thing that leads to ignorance and hatred.

ѕαвнα 8я said...

Itz important to learn about diferent lyfstylez becoz we can learn diferent languages, also can see wht kind of clothes dey wear plus da kind of food dey eat.dat can make some people wontin 2 chnge religions.
It can make us beta people by respectin oda relgions and treatin each oda eaqualy.
An immigrant can bcme a Britsh citizen by jst livin ere n avin a British pasprt.

Awl we need 2 du is 2 respct n treat each oda equaly!!

Unknown said...

Britishness is if you are British or not and it doesn't matter about what you eat or if you support England. you can be Pakistani and eat fish and chips or support England. You can also wear Pakistani clothes and be British.but you have to be born in Britain to count you're sell as a British citizen or you have to have a British passport to be British.

Asqalan said...

my opinion is if u were born in pakistan and u have a british passport then u r a british citizen it doesn't matter if u wear pakistani clothes u still a british.

Diversity, Identity & Multiculturalism: Pupil Levels

Wajiya: L6c in P4C- clear, reasoned arguments communicated effectively. Responds to views that are different to her own. Now needs to make judgements with clear justification and think about local, national and global perspectives. Limited contribution to blogs. Explains views but does not justify them and lacks focus. Concept: Identity (L6c) Processes: Critical Reflection (L6b) Enquiry (L6a) = Level 6b

Saira Iqbal: L7c from Blog: clear communication of ideas and selection of evidence. Responds to views of others and clearly understands these views incorporating them in her own opinions. Lacks confidence to contribute actively in P4C which is a real shame as has some very interesting ideas. Concept: Identity (7c) Processes: Critical Reflection (6c) Enquiry (5a). Overall: Level: 6a

Tirhas Fetwi: Active involvement in P4C and can communicate own views. Struggles to listen to and incorporate the views of others. Has 'stubborn views' and reluctant to change them. Blogging restricted by use of slang! Has some excellent ideas i.e. multiculturalism does not exist. This must be developed further and explained in depth. Is a potential Level 8. Concept: Identity (6a) Processes: Critical Reflection (6a) Enquiry (6b). Overall: Level 6a

Ilyas Sadiq: An extremely confident and opinionated individual in group activites. Has awarness of contemporary events and can respond to the views of others. Uses evidence to justify opinions effectively. Now must seek to explore his ideas in written form beginning with the blogs. Concept: Identity (5a) Processes: Critical Reflection (6c) Enquiry (6c). Overall: Level 6c

Sidra Malik: you deal best with facts Sidra. You have a clear understanding of what goes where and you have started to select significant pieces of evidence. However you struggle when it comes to decisions. You must start to give you opinion in your work and select pieces of evidence in support of your argument. Concept: Identity (6c) Processes: Critical Reflection (5c) Enquiry (5c). Overall: Level 5a

Aisha Parveen: you have some good ideas and express them consistently well. This shows a good understanding of the concepts studied. You must now begin to include clearer facts and statistics in support of your arguments. Explain clearly what you mean and include actual examples of issues with multiculturalism or schemes to prevent discrimination. Concept: Identity (4a) Processes: Critical Reflection (5c) Enquiry (4a). Overall: Level 5c

Jamal Uddin: you have a satisfactory understanding of the concept of identity. However, your ideas are far too general and lack any factual information. Use the links on the blog to locate facts nto support your argument. You must also test your opinions more actively through class discussions and in the context of P4c. Concept: Identity (4b) Processes: Critical Reflection (4b) Enquiry (4b). Overall: Level 4b

Komal Mahnoor: your ideas are far too general and do not include any factual detail. Think about what we looked at in lesson and include some of the examples in your argument. Your explanations must be developed in greater depth. Always think: why???? More regular blogging and active contribution to class discussions will help. Concept: Identity (3a) Processes: Critical Reflection (4c) Enquiry (4c). Overall: 4c Level

Madhia Habib: you have a clear understanding of what identity and diversity mean for you and your community. You must now consider these concepts in a wider context i.e. Britain, Europe and the wider world. Think about issues of immigration and try to balance your ideas. You must communicate your ideas verbally in lesson. Concept: Identity (4c) Processes: Critical Reflection (4c) Enquiry (4b). Overall: Level 4c

Iqra Rehman: you have a satisfactory understanding of the main issues involved but you are restricted to what they mean to you and how they effect you. Now look at all sides and think about how issues such as racism affect all people involved. Why do people discriminate? This may be the clue to preventingit. There must be more of your opinion too but based on the fcats you have used. Concept: Identity (3a) Processes: Critical Reflection (4c) Enquiry (4c). Overall: Level 4c

Usman Ali: you make some good points but they are rarely developed in enough detail and lack any facts. Focus on one point in your argument, (i.e. how can communities let each other exist?) and explain it in as much detail as you can. You must also start to become involved in class discussions so that you can develop and test your ideas. Concept: Identity (4c) Processes: Critical Reflection (4c) Enquiry (3a). Overall: Level 4

Zehnab Rasool: excellent use of factual detail to support your argument and clearly constructed arguments. You must now focus on making judgements and considering alternative points of view in your work. Think about how to respond to people who may disagree with you and think about what your best argument would be to justify your opinions. Concept: Identity (6c) Processes: Critical Reflection (6c) Enquiry (6b). Overall: Level 6c

Hannan Butt: you communicate your ideas with confidence and have the ability to respond quickly to the views of others. Your knowledge of the key concept is limited and you must take time to incorporate factual knowledge into your arguments. Finally you must spend more time developing an dextending your written work and looking at the views of people who may disagree with you. Concept: Identity (4c) Processes: Critical Reflection (5b) Enquiry (4b). Overall: Level 4a

Khadra Mohammed: you clearly understand the issues that surround identity and diversity but you must do this in greater depth. Think about how issues like immigration may affect all people including immigrants and those who live in the country of destination. You must begin to communicate your opinions in class discussions justifying your opinions with clear examples. Concept: Identity (4c) Processes: Critical Reflection (3a) Enquiry (3a). Overall: Level 4c

Umar Ali: you raise some excellent points Umar and communicate your ideas effectively but you must begin to concentrate on specific ideas you raise. Think about one particular point and develop it further. Read through your comments and make sure that you explain everything you say. Try to think about what questions another person may ask you. More active contribution to class discussions also required. Concept: Identity (4b) Processes: Critical Reflection (4a) Enquiry (4c). Overall: Level 4b

Fozia Nazmeen: your comments and ideas are far too underdeveloped. You must look at al issues/questions from two points of view. You must have empathy for other people's views and be able to reply to them. You lack confidence and struggle to communicate your ideas. Try to create a mind map of your ideas before you explain your argument. Concept: Identity (3c) Processes: Critical Reflection (3b) Enquiry (3c). Overall: Level 3c

Aisha Mir: you develop your arguments carefully and try to look at all points of view on the issue. Make sure that you include as many factual details as possible. You lack confidence in class discussions and must be able to communicate your ideas to others. You must also include conclusions in your work and begin to make decisions that you can justify with evidence.
Concept: Identity (5a) Processes: Critical Reflection (5c) Enquiry (4a). Overall: Level 5c

Farida Ahmed: some good ideas Farida carefully expressed. Now begin to look at all of the issues that surround the idea of nationality, Britishness. At the moment your work is too clinical and must be developed. Think about all of the questions included in the big question before you write your blog. What are the most controversial questions to be answered. Concept: Identity (5a) Processes: Critical Reflection (5b) Enquiry (5b). Overall: Level 5b

Mariam Gulzar: avoid simply copying chunks of text out. Use facts and evidence only to support your opinions on the issues studied. You must ensure that you look at arguments for and against the issue you are looking at and then make a conclusion where you finally make a decision on the question. You must contribute more actively to class discussions and group activities. Concept: Identity (5c) Processes: Critical Reflection (5c) Enquiry (5c). Overall: Level 5c

Zaira Ahmed: you include some interesting points but they lack detail and are not developed. Think about all of the issues surrounding the point you make. Also imagine that you are a non specialist reading your blog. Would you understand the key terms and issues? You must also begin to communicate your ideas in class discussions in order to test an ddevelop your opinions. Concept: Identity (4c) Processes: Critical Reflection (4c) Enquiry (3a). Overall: Level 4c

Letitia Smith: an excellent effort. You clearly have very strong opinions on these issues. What you must do is look at and consider alternative views to your own and begin to respond to them. this is very difficult especially when your views are so different. Look at the issue without emotion and construct an argument based on powerful evidence. Concept: Identity (6b) Processes: Critical Reflection (6c) Enquiry (5a) Overall: Level 6c

Naomi Earlington: some really clear and passionate observations that demonstrates a good understanding of the issues surrounding identity. In order to improve start to look at all sides of the argument and think about issues of racism and other forms of dsicrimination in national and global terms. In addition think about the issues from non-personal points of view. Can we understand why racism exists? Concept: Identity: (5c) Critical Reflection (4a) Enquiry (4a). Overall: Level 5c

Haleema Khan: you raise some interesting points about identity but you do not develop these in enough detail. Think about the different ways in which discrimination may be prevented and assess their effectiveness. You must also consider in detail the reasons why people discriminate? YOu must finally participate more actively in class discussions in order to form and develop your opinions on the issues studied. You are far too quiet. Concept: identity (4c) critical reflection (4c) enquiry (4a). Overall: 4b